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  Regarding Jonathan Neville
Posted by: Jay Mackley - 7 hours ago - Forum: General Comments - No Replies

I recently had several long email exchanges with Jonathan Neville regarding Book of Mormon geography. Jonathan is the author of two books that I admire greatly: Letter VII and The Lost City of Zarahemla. He had many useful critiques on the Book of Mormon Covenant Lands website regarding both the logical model and the "master" map of section 1. He says he likes the general approach the entities table but does not at present agree with the "Zarahemla Centric" map. Both Jonathan and also Jeri have suggested the logical model presentation be improved so the scripture citations can be matched up to the entity definitions. Good idea. Encouragingly, Jonathan indicated a willingness to give he Logical Model a complete review in the September time-frame. I should have my updates to it completed by then and probably much sooner. Also because of the email exchange, I have reorganized and re-written much of the information on the logical model to focus more on:

  1. How the methodology being proposed for Book of Mormon geography actually works.
  2. Improvements on the "Rules of Navigation" section. It is now split into two sections, 1) Interpretation Rules; and 2) Application rules. Each of these rules now has a better presentation with commentary and examples. Some rules have been dropped.
  3. Better explanation of what the Logical Model actually is and how it works.
  4. Added a section on the goal of seeking consensus via the Logical Model.
  5. Minor updates throughout that clarify various issues vis-a-vis the Logical Model.
  6. Currently working on a better presentation of the Entity Relationships, to indicate a one-on-one correspondence to the cited scriptures and the Rules employed for the Entity.
I appreciate so much the comments I have received!

- Jay

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  Map of Nephite/Lamanite Nations
Posted by: Jeri - 05-20-2018, 09:51 PM - Forum: General Comments - Replies (1)

I think it would be helpful on your map in section 1.1 if you were to take the information that is directly above the map and include it on the map as a legend. For example "names in yellow" and the dates, "names in red" and the dates, "capital letters" represent lands, "upper-lower case" represent cities, etc. This would make it easier to instantly read and interpret the map.

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  New Interactive Entity Relationship Table
Posted by: Jay Mackley - 04-21-2018, 07:08 PM - Forum: Logical Model - No Replies

The Entity Relationship table has received major improvements in presentation features and content, including pop-up windows for scripture citations and photos, incremental improvements to the ER content and notation and a place to explain the approach taken for each entity. The entities explanations and new photos components are in progress.

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  Update on Completion Goal
Posted by: Jay Mackley - 04-21-2018, 07:02 PM - Forum: General Comments - No Replies

I can still make the June 1018 Logical Model completion date goal. It is getting close. See the latest post on new additions in the site improvement section.

On the logical model, explanatory summaries for each entity are being added along with pop-up tool-tip pictures of each physical location and feature.

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  Major Additions
Posted by: Jay Mackley - 04-21-2018, 06:51 PM - Forum: Site Improvement - No Replies

The following major items have been added:

  1. Jaredite Master Map. See section 4.8
  2. Nephite/Lamanite Master Map. See section 1.1
  3. Makeover of Entity Relationship Table. Entities added and subtracted. See section 3.2
  4. Scripture citations in the ER enlarged to be more contextual. See section 3.2
  5. Map scoring samples of 7 other Book of Mormon maps. See section 3.8
  6. Perspective on Climate added. See section 3.6
  7. New Jaredite information added to go with Jaredite Master Map. See section 4.8
  8. New section on archeological findings and artifacts. See section 3.7. Includes two videos by Brian Nettles.

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  Volunteers Needed
Posted by: Jay Mackley - 10-26-2017, 11:21 PM - Forum: Site Improvement - No Replies

Help is needed in the following areas for http://theholyscriptures.info/BookOfMormonCovenantLands

  • Writers - improve the writing. I know it can be improved.
  • Proofreaders - find typos and inconsistencies.
  • Graphic artists - improve the maps and presentation display.
  • Analysts - review the logical model for corrections and additions

For aesthetics I am considering taking the site design away from the accordion style chapter display and moving it to the WordPress TwentySeventeen template. For right now however, the accordion style is probably easiest to maintain and navigate while content is being actively added.

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  Jonathan Neville
Posted by: Jay Mackley - 10-21-2017, 06:46 PM - Forum: Share Photos and Information - No Replies

I would like to recommend the writings of Jonathan Neville. He has really got it together when it comes to the Book of Mormon history and geography. 

I recommend these websites:

  • http://www.lettervii.com/
  • http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/
and these books: 
  • Moroni's America
  • Letter VII: Oliver Cowdery's Message to the World about the Hill Cumorah
  • The Lost City of Zarahemla

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  Progress 10/21/17
Posted by: Jay Mackley - 10-21-2017, 06:39 PM - Forum: General Comments - No Replies

In my prior post I estimated June 2018 has the completion date for the Logical and Physical Models. I think I am a little ahead of that schedule. I have added to my task-list the creation of a detailed timeline chart of events and persons in the Book of Mormon. I think this will help with the history and the geography and I believe that “Chronology is the backbone of history”. However for the Book of Mormon, I have never seen the chronology done to the level of detail that I would like. It is a separate project though. Finally, I also have a goal of studying the archaeology research of Wayne May and others and tying that in to the physical and logical models. That is also a separate project.

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  Nephite Physical Model - Round 1 complete
Posted by: Jay Mackley - 10-21-2017, 06:26 PM - Forum: Physical Model - No Replies

I wish I could devote full time to completing this project, but alas I have a life and full time work to attend to. Nevertheless I have completed "round 1" of the Nephite physical model (maps) and every local in the Book of Mormon is represented in the maps. When I say "round 1" that is because this whole site undergoing renovation. Each section provides new information that been researched and often requires going back and adjusting prior maps and sometimes (rarely) even adjusting the logical model entity relationships. 

Right now I am also almost done with round 1 of the Jaredite physical model. 

As I have mentioned before, the TheHolyScriptures.info/BookOfMormonCovenantLands is still pretty much under the radar. Although not yet finished, I leave it online as motivation to continue what is now a nearly three year project. After "Round 2" and proofreading I will begin to actively promote the site and seek input from a wider group, especially those researchers who activity work on aspects of the "Heartland" approach to the Book of Mormon.

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  Location of the city Nephi
Posted by: elkmeister - 05-13-2017, 03:38 AM - Forum: General Questions - Replies (1)

I am thinking of the Ohio river Mississippi confluence as a better location for the city of Nephi perhaps somewhere near Mound City. It is closer to where the waters of Mormon may be and I believe close enough to the Land of Zarahemla to be made in the time allotted for the Journey. Of course I assume an average daily travel 25 miles. I choose this range because even though I am over 60 years old and a little overweight I could do this with a moderate pack of 40 to 50 lbs. I assume that Nephites are not of the couch potato variety that we are these days. 3 miles per hour when moving in haste is not extreme and if a person is trying to escape I would be moving a minimum of all the daylight hours. Just a thought. so I am thinking at least 250 miles in ten days fro the Land of Nephi to the Land of Zarahemla.

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